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Post by bfgrad on Jun 3, 2020 16:56:03 GMT -5
I think most of the covid19 hysteria has died down what with states opening up, but a continuation of the discussion from the old board.
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Post by bfgrad on Jun 3, 2020 17:03:27 GMT -5
All of SW Pa except Beaver and Erie counties going "green" at 12:01AM Friday along with most of the counties north and west of Harrisburg.
All "red" counties are moving to "yellow" at the same time.
On June 5th, I believe bars and restaurants in "yellow" counties can open for outdoor seating and serving; in "green" counties they can open at half capacity.
As for Beaver county, things seem to be getting back to normal. There's much more traffic, pretty much back to where it was before the shutdown in March. The parking lots are fuller, too.
Had lunch in Columbiana yesterday. No masks required, dividers added to booths, no condiments on the table or soup salad bar, but otherwise a normal dining experience. A good many people were also enjoying lunch there. I didn't notice any capacity restriction signs, but could have missed them.
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Post by hs on Jun 4, 2020 6:53:35 GMT -5
Good news for my son's wedding reception! The venue called him 2 days ago and said there are no restrictions for them to meet so I'm guessing they know something that we don't yet? It is in Beaver on June 21st. Having close to a hundred people. The venue was going to limit seating to 4 to a table and space out the tables a little more if Wolf was still going to be pissy with Beaver County but they said everything is a go and they can have 8 to a table and no restrictions whatsoever
I'm hoping tomorrow Wolf says Beaver and the other counties can go green. Anyone else notice also that since it was said that the nursing home fiasco would be investigated that the media has gone basically silent about it? Unless I'm missing something it sure did get quiet about that around here
bfgrad, you should also move this thread to the politics board (if you can) as you know how we love to get political on these! LOL
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Post by bfgrad on Jun 4, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -5
Glad the good news about your son and his bride's wedding reception. That's a load off your mind, I'm sure.
I think the reason there hasn't been much news about Brighton Rehab is that just about everyone who could be infected, has been. There's no new news to report.
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Post by bfgrad on Jun 4, 2020 15:36:22 GMT -5
UPMC reports a decline in virulence and infection levels at its hospitals.
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Post by baldwintrack on Jun 4, 2020 20:23:06 GMT -5
I think we are in the clear for a few months. Still believe UV rays and the increased daylight help. South America is struggling on in their winter months.
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Post by Downriver on Jun 4, 2020 22:42:21 GMT -5
I saw in the Harrisburg area, UPMC, Hershey Med and some other hospitals are now allowing immediate family in to visit. They do a virus screening on the visitors before they can visit.
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Post by hs on Jun 5, 2020 8:50:17 GMT -5
“Experts” were expecting a May jobs report of an 8 million job loss and an unemployment rate of 20%. Report comes out and the country actually added 2.5 million jobs and unemployment rate was 13.3%. Would’ve been even better if California, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania would open up IMO. Media still trying to spin it though as Wall Street getting richer and believe it or not a pay gap between white vs black. Trump has been predicting a huge 3rd quarter recovery and these numbers sure point that way
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Post by bfgrad on Jun 5, 2020 15:49:56 GMT -5
Beaver county going to "green" phase next Friday, 6/12. But, sadly Erie county will remain yellow.
hs, I'm not surprised the unemployment rate dipped as states re-opened. It's what I more-or-less expected. People were unemployed not because businesses failed, but because things were shut down. It will be a few months before we can accurately assess the state of the economy. Some jobs may not return and some businesses won't either. The businesses that were open (Walmart, grocery stores, Home Depot, Lowes, etc) and hired might not keep those employees on. The home delivery/curbside pick up business will likely decline. Trump's really irrelevent in all this. He didn't directly cause unemployment to rise and isn't responsible for it going down either - that is all on what each individual state did/is doing.
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Post by hs on Jun 5, 2020 16:40:07 GMT -5
I agree bfgrad but tell that to Joe Biden. He was out there today blaming Trump for the high unemployment rate and I guarantee people are believing it. But I disagree with you on the numbers not helping Trump. The quicker the economy can come back, the quicker people will put all this behind him and start looking at the facts and not made up hysteria. I also agree with you that it will take a few months before we can properly assess the economy as also a lot of these job are lower paying jobs at Walmart and pizza shops like you said.
I just had to post that earlier to laugh at how bad the “experts” missed the mark
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Post by bfgrad on Jun 5, 2020 19:09:30 GMT -5
The Trump administration is indirectly responsible because of its, mmm, subpar, shall we say, response to the pandemic. The states were pretty much left to figure things out on their own which resulted in most of them just closing down almost everything.
And, honestly, hs, presidents have very little control over the economy. I heard that years ago and it's true from my observations. The economy is more than the stock market, though. People know their a big gap between the haves and have-nots just like in the 1920s and things are not exactly fair for average joe workers.
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Post by hs on Jun 6, 2020 7:18:27 GMT -5
The Trump administration is indirectly responsible because of its, mmm, subpar, shall we say, response to the pandemic. The states were pretty much left to figure things out on their own which resulted in most of them just closing down almost everything.
And, honestly, hs, presidents have very little control over the economy. I heard that years ago and it's true from my observations. The economy is more than the stock market, though. People know their a big gap between the haves and have-nots just like in the 1920s and things are not exactly fair for average joe workers.
I couldn't agree with that statement more. But the funny thing is, the president is the first to get the blame whenever a bad jobs report comes out or something goes wrong but is the last to get any credit, especially if they are a Republican. And then whoever the president is will be blowing his own horn when something good happens. I have been saying since I started voting when I was in the Navy that the president has very little to do with anything with the economy. The best thing any government can do is get out of the way and let the economy grow which IMO, is what Trump has been trying to do by cutting regulations. Obama IMO, did the opposite and tried to regulate the hell out of everything and make everything go through the government. And I said it before and I'll say it again, I agree bfgrad, the government's response was subpar, but IMO, it was more the CDC, WHO and China's fault but that's for another argument. But could you imagine how the response would've been if Biden and the Democrats were in charge? Sure their hindsight is 20/20 right now and can look back and complain on how Trump handled everything but at the time they were against EVERYTHING he did - cutting travel, closing the border, even shutting down the economy. Guarantee their response would've been much slower. Governors complained they wanted control and then complained when stuff started going wrong. Which one do they want? By the way, has anyone contacted Ryan? I haven't seen a post or heard from him in quite a while
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Post by stones on Jun 6, 2020 7:21:44 GMT -5
I think the PPP Trump pushed for helped the job numbers IMO He pushed for aggressive Stimulus which IMO was correct So he did impact the economy somewhat California and New York If they can allow crazies to run around and smash windows burn buildings down and destroy police vehicles its time to Open
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Post by stones on Jun 6, 2020 7:55:10 GMT -5
hs Ryan is stones I know some may not be happy but I wanted to change things up with the name I gave up like you I realized whatever Trump does he will never get any credit It was hilarious watching the media try to spin those job numbers yesterday In no way do I think the numbers are great but does provide a start back to outstanding levels
Really like the board Looks nice
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Post by yig on Jun 7, 2020 7:57:45 GMT -5
Employment/unemployment/underemployment will honestly be as compelling as ever for a number of reasons and IMO will stay high but does not have a clear direction because we still do not know entirely what the "new normal" is or even the Summer/Fall/Winter 2020 normal for that matter.
Basically right now there are four types of workers that these places hired aside from the normal people looking for a career there, part time work, or a second income: 1. unemployed because they were non-essential workers but plan on returning to their jobs if/when they can = more of a shell game regarding numbers 2. unemployed because they were non-essential workers but they may have lost their jobs for good or a seeking industry change to stay in the essential worker category = more of a shell game regarding the numbers 3. true seasonal hires (maybe higher than usual, such as teachers who maybe wouldn't always be doing this, and students having the longer summer probably inflated the May employment numbers some, as in made them look better...the teachers will remain in the workforce once school begins, as most did not have to apply for unemployment, but the students may leave the workforce if school reopens = a net loss of employment 4. those who cannot find work in normal times and will likely be unemployed once this ends (mostly to bf's point)...i.e. someone who couldn't pass a drug test but many of these businesses have been temporary suspending drug tests because of the need to workers as well as the safety or performing a drug test (this is really happening fyi...these companies are instead testing these employees when it comes time to decide to keep or get rid of them which is not their usual way of hiring/business)= a net loss of employment
Aside from that however keep in mind:
1. you do not have to be unemployed to file for unemployment, and those number were in April in particular higher than normal because it was already evident that most states were having difficulty processing unemployment claims, and thus those who were employed but on unsure ground (think of a non-frontline hospital worker such as a radiology tech who was seeing business down as non-essential appointments were being cancelled, but working at a hospital deeming them essential workers none of them lost their jobs at least not initially)...point being that April's unemployment numbere were inflated some by those types of counts
2. to BF's point spring/summer seasonal jobs will disappear such as Home Depot/Lowes at some point; grocery stores will probably keep business higher than normal because people are generally still not eating out, but the initial panic push in late March/early April definitely caused a hiring surge in that industry which as some point will not be sustained, but to that same token Christmas seasonal jobs appear again starting in September/October when Wal-Mart/Target/Best Buy/Amazon/clothing retailers will likely be hiring per usual, even if there is a second wave
3. who knows if/when the second wave hits, so there will be spikes and falls presumeably all throughout the next few months
Regardless, a victory lap is really tone deaf at this point. I think that we will be revisiting this monthly for a while with the numbers going up and down a bit every month including into next year regardless of if there is a change in POTUS or not.
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